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Today, 4:11 am #1
johncons
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Problems with US imigration control, 'no ties outside US'.

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Hi,

I'm really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I've been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

Here's what was written:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1059338080

Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text '8 CFR 217.4 (a)'.

And I found this post, on this message-board:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

But I wasn't let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

I'm not sure exactly what they mean with 'no ties outside of the US'.

But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

But anyway.

I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I'm not sure if that's considered a tie.

The reason I'm wondering how they define 'a tie', is that I'm a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having 'a tie', is being played games with, used as 'target guys', etc, by the CIA etc.

So I'm trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

This is a link, where I've been trying to explain what's going on a bit better:

http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/...22-pa-engelsk/

So, I would be very if someone knows they define 'a tie', because it's sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

So thanks very much in advance for any help!


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Today, 10:16 am #2
Folinskyinla
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Re: Problems with US imigration control, 'no ties outside US'.

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Originally Posted by johncons

So, I would be very if someone knows they define 'a tie', because it's sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

So thanks very much in advance for any help!

Hi:

First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.

"Ties" is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.

The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program -- please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the "no ties" notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.

The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the "B-1/2" non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.

So the reference to "ties" is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay -- and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?

That said, since you were not formally "removed", you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.

You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC -- you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I'm not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK -- driver's license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.

I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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Today, 11:23 am #3
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Re: Problems with US imigration control, 'no ties outside US'.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by johncons
Hi,

I'm really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I've been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

Here's what was written:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1059338080

Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text '8 CFR 217.4 (a)'.

And I found this post, on this message-board:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

But I wasn't let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

I'm not sure exactly what they mean with 'no ties outside of the US'.

But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

But anyway.

I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I'm not sure if that's considered a tie.

The reason I'm wondering how they define 'a tie', is that I'm a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having 'a tie', is being played games with, used as 'target guys', etc, by the CIA etc.

So I'm trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

This is a link, where I've been trying to explain what's going on a bit better:

http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/...22-pa-engelsk/

So, I would be very if someone knows they define 'a tie', because it's sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

So thanks very much in advance for any help!

I wrote 'Norse' and not 'Nurse'.

(I took a back-up of the post, after I'd submitted it:

http://johncons-mirror.blogspot.com/...ard-still.html).

So this harassment-incident, I'm going to bring on.

I think this helps showing that theres something going on.


http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5925954#post5925954