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29/10/2007 11:12


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Kurt Cobain døde jo plutselig noen år etter at Nirvana ble kjent.

De hadde stor komersiell suksess med albumet 'Nevermind', men bandet selv var ikke så fornøyd med 'sounden' på det albumet, de synes sounden var for 'polished'.

'After the recording sessions were completed, Vig and the band set out to mix the album. However, the recording sessions had run behind schedule and the resulting mixes were deemed unsatisfactory. Slayer mixer Andy Wallace was brought in to create the final mix. After the album's release members of Nirvana expressed dissatifaction with the polished sound the mixer had given Nevermind.[16]'.

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Men albumet fikk jo veldig stor suksess:

'By Christmas 1991, Nevermind was selling 400,000 copies a week in the US.[19] On January 11, 1992, the album reached number one on the Billboard album charts, replacing Michael Jackson's album Dangerous.[20] The album also topped the charts in numerous countries worldwide.'.

Men det var ting som tydet på at bandet selv, som det står over, ikke likte den komersielle/polishede sounden på Nevermind så bra.

Her er mer fra wikipedia artikkelen, som det er linket til ovenfor:

'Less than two weeks later, Nirvana performed at the MTV Video Music Awards. During the first rehearsal for the show, Cobain announced that they were going to play a new song during the broadcast, and the band rehearsed "Rape Me". MTV's executives were appalled by the song, and, according to show producer Amy Finnerty, the executives believed that the song was about them. They insisted that the band could not play "Rape Me", even threatening to throw Nirvana off of the show and stop airing their videos entirely. After a series of intense discussions, MTV and Nirvana agreed that the band would play "Lithium", their latest single.[26] When the band began their performance, Cobain strummed and sang the first few bars of "Rape Me", one last jab at MTV's executives, before breaking into "Lithium". Near the end of the song, frustrated that his amp had stopped functioning, Novoselic decided to toss his bass into the air for dramatic effect. He misjudged the landing, and the bass ended up bouncing off his forehead, causing him to stumble off the stage in a daze. As Cobain trashed their equipment, Grohl ran to the mic and began yelling "Hi, Axl!" repeatedly, referring to Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose, with whom the band and Courtney had had a bizarre encounter prior to the show.[27]

Nirvana released Incesticide, a collection of rarities and B-sides, in December 1992. Many of Nirvana's radio sessions and unreleased early recordings were starting to circulate via trading circles and illegal bootlegs, so the album served to circumvent the bootleggers. The album contained songs from previously released singles and EPs, including "Sliver" and "Dive", as well as material from the band's sessions for the BBC, including "Been a Son", "Aneurysm", and covers of songs by The Vaselines and Devo.'.


Her er man vel innpå et par ting som vel ikke er så komersielt smart.

I begynnelsen av 92, mens albumet Nevermind forsatt er på toppen av albumlistene, så skal Nirvana være med på MTV Video Music Awards, og vil synge den nye sangen de har som heter 'rape me'.

Og på slutten av 92, så gir de ut et album som heter 'Incesicide'.

Så dette var vel ikke så smart kanskje, med tanke på å selge album.

Her er mer om albumet 'In Utero', som ble gitt ut året etter Incesticide.

'For 1993's In Utero, the band brought in producer Steve Albini, well-known for his work on the Pixies album Surfer Rosa. As Nevermind had brought in a new audience of listeners who had little or no experience with the alternative, obscure, or experimental bands Nirvana saw as their forebears, bringing in Albini appeared to be a deliberate move on Nirvana's part to give the album a raw, less-polished sound. For example, one song on In Utero featuring long periods of shrill feedback noise was titled, ironically, "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter". (In the industry, a "radio-friendly unit shifter" describes an "ideal" album: one capable of heavy radio play and ultimately selling many copies, or "units".) However, Cobain insisted that Albini's sound was simply the one he had always wanted Nirvana to have: a "natural" recording without layers of studio trickery.[28] The sessions with Albini were productive and notably quick, and the album was recorded and mixed in two weeks for a cost of $25,000.[29]

Several weeks after the completion of the recording sessions, stories ran in the Chicago Tribune and Newsweek that quoted sources claiming DGC considered the album "unreleasable."[30] As a result, fans began to believe that the band's creative vision might be compromised by their label.[31] While the stories about DGC shelving the album were untrue, the band actually was unhappy with certain aspects of Albini's mixes. Specifically, they thought the bass levels were too low,[32] and Cobain felt that "Heart-Shaped Box" and "All Apologies" did not sound "perfect".[33] Longtime R.E.M. producer Scott Litt was called in to help remix those two songs, with Cobain adding additional instrumentation and backing vocals.[34]

In Utero debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 album chart in September 1993.[35] Time's Christopher John Farley wrote in his review of the album, "Despite the fears of some alternative-music fans, Nirvana hasn't gone mainstream, though this potent new album may once again force the mainstream to go Nirvana."[36] However, the album did not enjoy the same success as Nevermind. That fall, Nirvana embarked on a US tour, its first major tour of the States since the success of "Smells Like Teen Spirit". For the tour, the band added Pat Smear of the punk rock band The Germs as a second guitarist.'.


Her kommer det fram noe angående mulige konflikter med plateselskapet DGC, en avdeling av Geffen Records.

'stories ran in the Chicago Tribune and Newsweek that quoted sources claiming DGC considered the album "unreleasable.'.

Tilbake til litt fra det forrige sitatet fra Wikipedia:

'bringing in Albini appeared to be a deliberate move on Nirvana's part to give the album a raw, less-polished sound. For example, one song on In Utero featuring long periods of shrill feedback noise was titled, ironically, "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter". (In the industry, a "radio-friendly unit shifter" describes an "ideal" album: one capable of heavy radio play and ultimately selling many copies, or "units".) However, Cobain insisted that Albini's sound was simply the one he had always wanted Nirvana to have: a "natural" recording without layers of studio trickery.[28] The sessions with Albini were productive and notably quick, and the album was recorded and mixed in two weeks for a cost of $25,000.'.

Her kommer det fram at Nirvana hadde en sang på 'In Utero', som het 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter', som vel kan oversettes med Radio vennlig plate selger, som da vel betyr en komersiell sang, laget spesielt for å bli spilt mye på radio, sånn at man kunne få solgt mange plater.

Omtrent som 'Smells like teen spirit' var på Nevermind da.

Det kommer også fram at albumet 'In Utero', ble spilt inn på to ukers tid.

Året etter 'In Utero' ble utgitt, så døde jo Kurt Cobain.

Og det har vært litt spekulasjon rundt dødsårsaken:

'Suicide dispute
Kurt Cobain is legally recognized to have committed suicide; however, several theories have surfaced suggesting that the frontman of Nirvana was murdered.

The main proponent of the existence of a conspiracy surrounding Cobain's death is Tom Grant, the private investigator employed by Love after Cobain's disappearance from rehab. Grant was still under Love's employment when Cobain's body was found. Grant believes that Cobain's death was a homicide.

This section covers the main points in Grant's theory, as well as the rebuttals to some of those points by various sources:

The heroin level in Cobain's body at the time of his death
Grant cites a figure published in an April 14, 1994, article by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, purportedly from the official toxicology report, which claimed, "the level of heroin in Cobain's bloodstream was 1.52 milligrams per liter."[41] Grant argues that Cobain could not have injected himself with such a dose and still have been able to pull the trigger.[42]

However, several different studies on heroin use have noted the difficulty in pinpointing the level of heroin that an addict can tolerate. In a 2004 story, Dateline NBC questioned five medical examiners about the figure from the toxicology report. Two of them noted the possibility that Cobain could have built up enough of a tolerance through repeated usage to have been able to pull the trigger himself, while the three others held that the information was inconclusive.[43]

Grant does not believe that Cobain was killed by the heroin dose. He suggests that the heroin was used to incapacitate Cobain before the fatal shotgun blast was administered by the perpetrator.[44]

The suicide note

While working for Love, Grant was given access to Cobain's suicide note, and used her fax machine to make a photocopy, which has since been widely distributed. After studying the note, Grant believes that it was actually a letter written by Cobain announcing his intent to leave Courtney Love, Seattle, and the music business. Grant believes that the few lines at the very bottom of the note, separate from the rest of it, are the only parts that sound like a suicide note. He believes that those lines are written in a style that varies from the rest of the letter, suggesting that they were written by someone other than Cobain. While the official report on Cobain's death concluded that Cobain wrote the note, Grant claims that the official report does not distinguish the questionable lines from the rest of the note, and simply draws the conclusion across the entire note.
Grant claims to have consulted with handwriting experts who support his assertion. Other experts disagree, however. When Dateline NBC sent a copy of the note to four different handwriting experts, one concluded that the entire note was in Cobain's hand, while the other three said the sample was inconclusive.[43] One expert contacted by the television series Unsolved Mysteries noted the difficulty in drawing a conclusion, given that the note being studied was a photocopy, not the original.[45]

The length of the shotgun

Grant suggests that if the shotgun that Cobain used was positioned to match the findings of the autopsy report, his arm would have been too short for him to reach the trigger. Grant claims that Cobain would have had to fire the weapon with his toe, yet he was found with both shoes still in place.

The police report

Grant also cites circumstantial evidence from the official report. For example, the report claimed that the doors of the greenhouse could not have been locked from the outside, meaning that Cobain would have had to have locked them himself. Grant claims that when he saw the doors for himself, he found that the doors could be locked and pulled shut. Grant also questions the lack of fingerprint evidence connecting Cobain to the key evidence, including the shotgun. Several experts have noted that it is not unheard of for fingerprints to be absent from the weapon used in a suicide. However, Grant notes that the official report claims that Cobain's fingerprints were also absent from the suicide note and the pen that had been poked through it, and yet Cobain was found without gloves on his hands. None of the circumstantial evidence directly points to murder, but Grant believes it supports the larger case.[46]

The Rome incident

After Cobain's death, Love insisted that Cobain's overdose in Rome was a suicide attempt.[35] Grant believes that such an assertion was not made until after Cobain's death, and that people close to Cobain, including Nirvana's management Gold Mountain, specifically denied the characterization prior to Cobain's death. Grant believes that if Rome had truly been a suicide attempt, Cobain's friends and family would have been told so that they could have watched out for him.
Others have asserted that the claims by Gold Mountain and others were simply efforts to mask what was happening behind the scenes. Lee Ranaldo, guitarist for Sonic Youth, told Rolling Stone, "Rome was only the latest installment of [those around Cobain] keeping a semblance of normalcy for the outside world."[47]

Rosemary Carroll

Grant claims to have spoken to Cobain's attorney, Rosemary Carroll, at her office on April 13, 1994. He says that she pressed him to investigate Cobain's death, and claimed that Cobain was not suicidal. She also told Grant that Cobain had asked her to draw up a will excluding Love because he was planning to file for divorce. Grant claims that this was the motive for Cobain's death.[48] Carroll has not commented publicly on the matter.'.

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Her kommer det fram at hagla som ble brukt til å ta livet av Kobain, var såpass lang, at Kobein måtte ha trykket av avtrekkeren med tåa, for at det skulle være fysisk mulig for han å skyte seg selv.

Armen var for kort til å rekke fram til avtrekkeren, og han hadde sko på begge beina, stod det, så det var vel litt snodig hvis han hadde klart å ta på seg skoa etter å skutt seg i hue da.

Men men.

Det kommer også fram tvil om selvmordsbrevet som ble funnet, og det hevdes at dette kun var et brev hvor Cobain skrev om at han ville forlate Curtney Love, Seattle og musikkindustrien.

Det kommer også frem at de siste linjene på brevet, var skrevet i en annen stil, så det kunne virke som om de siste linjene er skrevet av en annen person enn Kobain.


Så da blir spørsmålet.

Det virker som om Kobain og Nirvana hadde en del konflikter med plateselskapet/musikkindustrien.

Konflikten gikk vel mest på dette:

Nirvana var vel antagelig forpliktet ut i fra kontrakten sin, til å gi ut så og så mange album.

Og de hadde sikkert fått en god del penger for å skrive under kontrakten.

Men konflikten går på om Nirvana skal ha en polished, komersiell sound, eller om de skal ha et upolert, alternativt lydbilde, slik som de hadde på førstealbumet 'Bleach', var det vel.

Så Nirvana, med Kurt Cobain i spissen, ville vel beholde et alternativt og upolert lydbilde ala 'Bleach', mens plateselskapet, vel ville ha et polert, mainstream/komersielt lydbilde ala 'Nevermind'.

Vi vet jo hvor mye 'Nevermind' solgte. Albumet strartet jo grunge-stilen eller epoken, eller hva man skal kalle det.

Og mange band, dukket plutselig opp, med et lignende lydbilde av Nirvana. (Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots), og også mange andre band både da og senere.

Men Nirvana fulgte jo ikke opp suksessen.

De mistet vel en del mainstream-fans, når de begynte å lage sanger som 'Rape Me', og å gi ut album med navn som 'Incestecide'.

Og platecoverne til Nirvana, var jo også anti-kapitalistiske, med Nevermind, som hadde en baby som svømte etter en dollarseddel, og 'In Utero' coveret var vel også kontroversielt.

Her er det coveret:



Og Nirvana hadde jo som nevnt også en sang på det albumet som het noe sånt som, 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter', som vel gjør narr av platebransjens iver etter å selge plater.

Det virker nesten som om Cobain var i direkte opposisjon til plateselskapets ønske om å selge plater.

Og Cobain og Nirvana, virker det som, de brydde seg ikke så mye om platesalget, men synes at det artistiske/kunstneriske var viktigst.

Det virker som om de var litt flaue over Nevermind albumet sin suksess, og over å bli sett på som et mer eller mindre mainstream-band, etter suksessen med 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', osv.

Så det virker som om Cobain og bandet, heller ville beholde et litt røft, upolert, alternativt preg, og kanskje var litt bekymret for image sitt blandt de gamle hard-core fansen de hadde, og ikke hadde noe lyst til å være typiske stjerner og være mainstream.

Mens kanskje plateselskapet, forventet mer, og hadde kanskje regnet med/budsjettert, med mer suksess ala 'Nevermind', og da vel antagelig ønsket, at bandet skulle fortsette i samme stilen, og like polert som med 'Nevermind', og at de skulle produsere en ordentlig 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter' på 'In Utero'.

Problemet var vel at 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter' fra 'In Utero', ' was featuring long periods of shrill feedback noise'.

Så den sangen, som hadde et navn som betydde 'radio vennlig sang som kommer til å selge mange plater'.

Den sangen hadde masse feedback lyd osv. på seg, så man må vel si at den sangen var det motsatte av en radio-vennlig sang som skulle selge mange plater.

Men det er mulig Cobain og Nirvana stod i direkte opposisjon til plateselskapet da.

Og at plateselskapet hadde gitt hint om at de ønsket en ny slik radiovennlig sang som skulle selge mange plater da.

Også lagde Cobain & Co. en pariodi på en sånn sang i stedet.

Spørsmålet er da om plateselskaper eller noen andre i musikkindustrien, teoretisk sett, kunne blitt så irriterte/leie av Kurt Cobain sine ante-kommersielle ideer, som virker som om var laget på pur f., for å mer eller mindre motvirke salget av plater.

Spørsmålet er vel da om noen i musikkindustrien kunne ha blitt så provosert/irritert/forbannet over Kurt Cobains direkte motvilje, mot å kommersialisere arbeidet som Nirvana ga ut, og til slutt bestemte seg for å heller satse på den kjente kjennsgjerning, at når en artist dør, så kjøper folk mye mer plater igjen av den artisten.

Forskjellige samleplater og minneplater, og de gamle platene begynner å selge igjen og.

Kunne det være at noen i musikkindustrien bestemte seg for at det kom bare til å bli tull med Cobain, han ville aldri komme til å lage noen nye storselgere som Nevermind igjen uansett.

Så noen bestemte seg bare for at det ville være enklere å tjene mye penger på Nirvana, hvis Kurt Cobain var død, og da ikke fikk sjangsen til å ødelegge Nirvanas image blant mainstream markedet ennå mer, med sine anti-kommersielle sang og album-titler og covere?

Og heller smi mens jernet var varmt, for å sikre seg å få noenlunde som budsjettert uttelling for investeringen sin i Nirvana, ved å selge masse ekstra plater, fordi folks interesse øker hvis artisten dør.

Jeg understreker at dette kun er en teori da, som forklart tidligere.

Men kan det være en mulig teori, som er oversett litt i helhetsbildet.

Det virker jo snodig at hagla som Kobain tok selvmord med, var så lang, at han måtte ha trykket av avtrekkeren med tåa da, og at han fortsatt hadde begge skoene på, som det stod.

Så jeg mener ikke å sverte noen plateselskaper eller andre med dette.

Men jeg synes bare at dette, som virker som en konflikt som har vært med i bildet, helt siden Nevermind ble gitt ut.

Jeg synes vel kanskje at denne konflikten, som det i allefall virker som har vært der utifra navn på låter og album, og covere osv.

Jeg synes at det burde vel kanskje ha vært litt mer fokus på denne muligheten i hvertfall, at denne mulige konfliktene, eventuelt kunne ha hatt noe sammenheng, teoretisk, med Kurt Cobains død.

Så det blir spennende å se om det er noen andre som har noen synspunkter, og kanskje kan irettesette meg, og tilbakevise denne muligheten.

For jeg får håpe at det såpass ytringsfrihet osv, at man får lov å ta opp sånne ting som kan virke litt oversett når det gjelder diskusjonen om mulige årsaker til Kobains død.

Så det blir interessant å se, om det er mange som har tilbakemeldinger om dette.